In an Interview with Carol Grinsted, MACS, Victoria, Lyn explores daily Learning Walks and Talks (LWTs) as an instructional leadership tool for both leaders and teachers to use to move from ‘pockets of excellent practice’ to ‘school-wide excellence in classroom practice’. LWTs are powerful when used as a non-evaluative tool to grow practice in every school and system. The 5 questions are useful in collecting data on how well students are taking ownership of their learning. They also inform leaders’ and teachers’ next steps in staff members’ Professional Learning.