The Perfect Scam

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AARP’s weekly podcast The Perfect ScamSM tells the stories of people who find themselves the target of a scam. Host Bob Sullivan introduces listeners to those who have experienced scams firsthand, as well as professional con artists and leading experts who pull back the curtain on how scammers operate. read less

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The host of the podcast The Perfect Scam knows a thing or two about cons. Bob Sullivan is an investigative journalist with decades of experience in the field. As one of the founders of MSNBC.com, Sullivan had a popular blog on the website that focused on tech fraud. His goal with The Red Tape Chronicles was to expose the ways consumers can get tricked online and to teach them practices to avoid it. His entire career centered around internet privacy, cybersecurity, and tech crimes. He wrote two bestselling books about the topic, one titled Stop Getting Ripped Off. He also won many journalism and consumer awards for his public service. It's evident that with his work, Sullivan seeks to expose wrongdoings.

The Perfect Scam podcast is no different. It is another platform for Sullivan to help educate consumers. This time, it's on a much larger scale. Using the format of a true crime show, the host hopes to use entertainment as a way to reach a wider audience. Each week recounts the story of a target of a scam without judgment or condescension. It makes a point to show that anyone can find themselves in that situation. It doesn't matter if they're rich or poor, have higher education or not, young or old, or from any ethnicity. Romance scams, Ponzi schemes, crypto cons, and gift card scams can fool anyone. There is no victim blaming on this show.

As Sullivan unravels the victim's account, he also interviews experts. Those include scholars, police officers from fraud units, and even psychologists. All those people try to create an accurate profile of the type of person who would attempt to con others. But no one gives better insights than the scammers themselves that Sullivan gets to open up on the show. By letting the listeners into their thought process, they reveal the best ways to be more secure. If the listeners keep up with The Perfect Scam weekly podcast, they can also stay current with some of the new scams that could harm them.

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‘The Perfect Scam’ Celebrates 5 Years!

‘The Perfect Scam’ Celebrates 5 Years!

This April marks five years of “The Perfect Scam” podcast! Since launching in 2018, we’ve brought you stories of fraud told by the people who lived them, stories of trauma but also of bravery and triumph. With the FTC reporting a staggering $8.8 billion in losses to scammers in 2022, we remain committed to continue bringing you the very latest information and resources to give you power over scams.

Episodes

Phony Home Contractors Steal Over $450,000

Phony Home Contractors Steal Over $450,000

80-year-old David lives in a tight-knit community, frequently helping his neighbors with yard care and other tasks. So when he gets a knock on the door from two brothers claiming they are working on his neighbor's home, and noticed a hole in his roof, David agrees to let them fix it. But one repair turns into many as the brothers find more and more work that needs to be done on his house. David's daughter is suspicious, and when she finds out that the work has cost her father over $450,000, she jumps into action to help catch the criminals.

Minnesota Man Caught in Blind Mule Drug Trafficking Scam

Minnesota Man Caught in Blind Mule Drug Trafficking Scam

Rodney Baldus, a retired truck driver from Minnesota, believes he is the recipient of a large inheritance belonging to his late wife. The inheritance is in Italy, but he is told he must first fly to Africa to sign papers before going on to Italy. Since his travel expenses are all paid for, Rodney is not suspicious of criminal activity. Unfortunately, Rodney is now sitting in a crowded jail cell in Mozambique with little hope of ever getting out, and his daughter, Nicole, fears for her diabetic father's life. Rodney is what is sometimes called a blind mule, a victim who was persuaded to transport money or contraband for a criminal gang, an unwitting participant in a serious crime. Journalist Mariana van Zeller, host of National Geographic Television's Trafficked, tells his story.

Whiskey Investment Scheme Goes Barrel-Up

Whiskey Investment Scheme Goes Barrel-Up

Ray is retired but always looking for interesting opportunities. So, when he gets a cold call from a whiskey brokerage firm asking if he wants to invest in some of the world's rarest whiskeys, he's intrigued. He meets with a wealth manager, Casey Alexander, who is well-mannered and professional. Ray feels confident investing over $300,000 in whiskey, although around this time, the investment scheme catches the attention of a U.S. attorney and the FBI.

Archive Episode: YouTube Star Kitboga Fights Fraud With Humor

Archive Episode: YouTube Star Kitboga Fights Fraud With Humor

In this 2023 episode, YouTube star Kitboga has turned scam baiting into performance art, delighting his 3.6 million followers with his many characters and laughs at the expense of online criminals. It started out as pure curiosity, and a way to avenge his grandparents who'd been victims of scams, but along the way, he's helped return money and hijacked accounts to victims, and he's taught a lot of viewers how online scams work. Bob sits down with Kitboga for a humorous and enlightening conversation.

Archive Episode: Scams, Magic and the Art of Deception With Alexis Conran

Archive Episode: Scams, Magic and the Art of Deception With Alexis Conran

In this 2022 episode, host Bob Sullivan welcomes special guest Alexis Conran. Conran’s insight into the mind of a con man comes from acting as one on the popular BBC show The Real Hustle. On the series, Conran, an actual trained magician, and his team perpetrate scams on unsuspecting consumers and then reveal the crimes to the victims (now in the hundreds), all in the name of educating the public. Conran discusses what he’s learned about the criminal mindset and what he has identified as the elements of deception.

SIM Swapping: Scammers Hijack Smartphones and Steal Thousands

SIM Swapping: Scammers Hijack Smartphones and Steal Thousands

We use our smartphones for just about everything these days, and that makes them a prime target for scammers. Online banking often relies on a code sent in a text message to verify the account holder's identity, but criminals have figured out a way to impersonate the phone and intercept these messages. This is exactly what happens when Jeff receives an SOS message on his phone, and before the day is over, thieves steal tens of thousands of dollars from him. The good news is, there's a simple thing we can all do to safeguard our phones and our accounts today.

Scam Victims Taxed on Stolen Money

Scam Victims Taxed on Stolen Money

Imagine you've just had everything stolen from you by a ruthless scammer. You are wondering how you will pay your bills, maybe even have enough money to buy food. And then a bill arrives from the IRS – you owe taxes on the stolen money. Unfortunately, scam victims across the country are getting hit with huge tax bills thanks to a change in the tax code a few years ago. In this episode, you'll meet Chester, a retiree from California who is living this very nightmare right now, as well as the lawmakers working on the bipartisan effort to change the tax code.

A Family’s Thanksgiving Dinner Ruined by a SNAP Scam

A Family’s Thanksgiving Dinner Ruined by a SNAP Scam

Thanksgiving is a time for sharing food with family and feeling grateful. It means a lot to Georgete, a struggling mom who just wants to make the holiday special for her kids. She relies on SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program) benefits to get by, and when her Thanksgiving dinner is essentially stolen from her, she is devastated. The theft is part of a highly organized crime and Georgete is one of hundreds of thousands of victims, resulting in $150 million of taxpayer money stolen by criminals. And the scam is still happening all over the country, hurting an already vulnerable population.

Trusted Caregiver Steals Oklahoma Woman's Savings

Trusted Caregiver Steals Oklahoma Woman's Savings

Alice hires a local handyman, Joey, as a live-in caregiver after her shoulder surgery. She recovers, but soon COVID-19 hits, and Joey, who is down on his luck, stays on to help around the house. Alice has known Joey for years and trusts him completely. But one morning when she opens her monthly bank statement, everything about her relationship with Joey changes.

Love Online Leads to $60,000 Theft

Love Online Leads to $60,000 Theft

Debbie, a Colorado native and mother of three adult children, leads a fulfilling life of travel, salsa dancing and volunteer work. While her life is full, she would like to have someone to share it with. So, Debbie looks for love online and meets a seemingly great guy named Russell who claims to be a successful businessman. After weeks of daily texts and phone calls, they plan to meet. That’s when things get complicated – Russell, who is dealing with a work crisis overseas, needs her help to make some bank transfers. As a seasoned international traveler, Debbie is familiar with the nuances of accessing money when out of the country and she knows he’ll be good for it if she lends him the money. However, Russell doesn’t turn out to be who he says he is. After Russell steals almost $60,000 from her, Debbie bravely decides to tell her story.

AI is Making Virtual Kidnappings More Real Than Ever

AI is Making Virtual Kidnappings More Real Than Ever

It’s a typical busy day for Amanda as she sees her teenaged daughter off to work. But five minutes later, everything changes when she receives a call from a local number and hears her daughter’s voice crying. A man comes on the line with a chilling threat for Amanda if she doesn’t do exactly what he says. Technologies like AI are making virtual kidnappings and similar scams easier than ever for criminals. Bob talks with Vijay Balasubramaniyan about this ever-evolving technology and how listeners can protect themselves.

Suicide After a Scam: One Family’s Story

Suicide After a Scam: One Family’s Story

Dennis, an 82-year-old proud father and grandfather, makes a connection with a woman he meets on Facebook named Jessie. Jessie claims to have made a lot of money through crypto investments and offers to teach Dennis how she did it. Having developed a trusting relationship with Jessie and hoping to build an inheritance for his family, Dennis decides to invest his savings. When it is revealed that the investments are a scam and Jessie is a fraud, a devastated Dennis takes his own life. Now his son and daughter share his story in hopes of reaching just one person who might be going through a similar situation.

Archive Episode: Beware the Boardwalk Psychic

Archive Episode: Beware the Boardwalk Psychic

In this 2019 episode, Marlene is enjoying the Atlantic City boardwalk with a friend when a young woman approaches her. The woman introduces herself as Savannah and offers to give Marlene a psychic reading. Figuring it will cost her just a few dollars, Marlene takes her up on the offer. Savannah takes Marlene back to her shop. During the reading she picks up on many of the troubles Marlene is facing in her personal life. Having gained Marlene’s trust, Savannah offers her various items for sale in the shop, promising that they will solve her problems. Marlene chooses a few things within her budget to purchase and starts to leave. But Savannah’s not done with her yet. She gives Marlene her phone number with an offer to continue to help her. It all seems innocent to Marlene, but this chance encounter with a boardwalk psychic will morph into a long, complex relationship that will leave her nearly broke.

Archive Episode: GoFundMe Scam Targets Dart Community, Part 2

Archive Episode: GoFundMe Scam Targets Dart Community, Part 2

In Part 2 of this 2022 episode, Darlene Asher, as the head of her local dart league, has been leading the charge to help Jeremiah Jon Smith, who they believe is dying from cancer. But when Jeremiah’s wife leaves him, she shares her doubts with Darlene about his illness. A police investigation reveals the devastating truth: Jeremiah has been faking his cancer and exploiting his friends' generosity in order to line his pockets.

Archive Episode: GoFundMe Scam Targets Dart Community, Part 1

Archive Episode: GoFundMe Scam Targets Dart Community, Part 1

In this 2022 episode, Darlene Asher is the head of her local Minnesota dart league, a close-knit group of dart enthusiasts who rally around champion dart player Jeremiah Jon Smith when they learn he is dying from cancer. They raise thousands through fundraisers and a GoFundMe page, going as far as paying for Jeremiah’s wedding. It seems like they’re doing the right thing, so why does Darlene have doubts?

U.S. Army Financial Advisor Defrauds Soldier’s Grieving Family

U.S. Army Financial Advisor Defrauds Soldier’s Grieving Family

Kim is grieving the tragic death of her son, who was serving in the Army, when she learns that she is the sole beneficiary of his military death benefit. To help with financial decisions at such a vulnerable time, an adviser named Caz Craffy is offered by the military. Kim plans to use the money to buy a home, but Craffy insists that she make investments in stocks of specific interest to him. One day Kim is contacted by the FBI and learns that Craffy is under investigation for redirecting military benefits to investments that pay him high commissions.

Dentist Runs Affinity Fraud Scheme in Austin

Dentist Runs Affinity Fraud Scheme in Austin

Neill is a successful ER physician and business owner who has regrets after a recent missed investment opportunity that proved to be lucrative. So he jumps on board after meeting Clinton Herzog who is offering buy-ins for his dental clinic chain in Austin, Texas. Unfortunately, this new investment opportunity turns out to be a classic Ponzi scheme and Clinton disappears with hundreds of thousands of dollars from the doctor and his friends.

You May Not Be a Winner: Sweepstakes Scam Empties Woman’s Savings

You May Not Be a Winner: Sweepstakes Scam Empties Woman’s Savings

The Publishers Clearing House Sweepstakes is famous for showing up at winners’ homes with a giant check and transforming lives. So when Kathy receives a call from someone claiming to be from Publishers Clearing House, saying that she’s the next lucky winner, she begins dreaming of all the good she can do for her friends and family. However, after several months of empty promises and tens of thousands of dollars in “taxes” that she must pay upfront, a concerned neighbor convinces Kathy to go to the police.

Sisters Help Bring Down a Magazine Telemarketing Scam

Sisters Help Bring Down a Magazine Telemarketing Scam

When Penny signs up for a few magazine subscriptions, she thinks she is helping some kids with a school fundraiser. Little does she know that it will lead to years of harassment from telemarketers and the theft of much of her savings. But it will also lead Penny and her sister Nancy to help bring down a 20-year conspiracy that robbed more than 150,000 victims nationwide of millions of dollars.

Archive Episode: Undercover Hacker

Archive Episode: Undercover Hacker

In this 2021 episode, an IT professional in the UK who goes by the alias Jim Browning is battling cyber scams. Fed up with robocalls disrupting his day, Jim decides to fight back. As con artists try to scam him, Jim uses his professional training to reverse engineer his way into their computers. With the ability to see everything on these computers, Jim works to thwart their operations and save potential victims.