Law and Chaos

Liz Dye

Ignorance of the law is no excuse! That’s true for a traffic stop, and it’s true if you want to participate in whatever’s left of American democracy. If the events since the 2016 election taught us anything, it’s that tuning out is not an option. Legal journalists Liz Dye and Andrew Torrez break down the week’s most important courtroom stories, so you can keep on top of this crazy news cycle. Whether it’s Texas giving two middle fingers to the Supreme Court, or Donald Trump in all the courts at once, we’ve got you covered. read less
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Ep 104 — Muskrats Invade Federal Agencies
2d ago
Ep 104 — Muskrats Invade Federal Agencies
Elon Musk has invaded Washington. He has set loose a pack of feral teenage code monkeys with a god complex inside every federal agency, promising to do for Washington what he did for Twitter. What could possibly go wrong? Oh, and Musk also has a plan to “rightsize” the government by waving unenforceable contracts at federal employees to induce them into resigning. There’s a Fork in the Road all right, but this one is perhaps best not taken. Links: Nat’l Counsel of Nonprofits v. OMB (“Nonprofits Case”) docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69583571/national-council-of-nonprofits-v-office-of-management-and-budget/   Elon Musk Wants to Get Operational Control of the Treasury’s Payment System. This Could Not Possibly Be More Dangerous by  https://www.crisesnotes.com/elon-musk-wants-to-get-operational-control-of-the-treasurys-payment-system-this-could-not-possibly-be-more-dangerous/ Office of Personnel Management “Fork in the Road” https://www.opm.gov/fork   OPM Guidance on Schedule Policy/Career (formerly Schedule F) https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memorandum%20re%20Schedule%20Policy%20Career%20Guidance%2001-27-25%20FINAL.pdf   American Federation of Gov’t Employees v. Trump docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69588089/american-federation-of-government-employees-afl-cio-v-trump/   VSIP 5 U.S.C. § 3521 et seq. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/part-III/subpart-B/chapter-35/subchapter-II   Truman EO 9830 https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-9830-amending-the-civil-service-rules-and-providing-for-federal-personnel   Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod
Ep 103 — Trump Executive Orders Wind Up In All The Courts
6d ago
Ep 103 — Trump Executive Orders Wind Up In All The Courts
Trump issued dozens of imperial edicts — oh, sorry, executive orders. Many of them are wildly illegal, mostly are deeply cruel, and all are being challenged in court. We’ll discuss the pending injunctions on his birthright citizenship order and the “pause” on government spending so that he can redline the federal budget and delete all the “woke.”    Links:   Trump v. Meta docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61568745/trump-v-meta-platforms-inc/    American Federation of Government Employees, AFL-CIO v. Trump docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69588089/american-federation-of-government-employees-afl-cio-v-trump/   OMB M-25-13 https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/deb7af80-48b6-4b8a-8bfa-3d84fd7c3ec8.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_2   OMB CLARIFICATION MEMO https://ngma.memberclicks.net/assets/docs/White%20House%20OMB%20Clarification%20Memo.pdf   Nat’l Counsel of Nonprofits v. OMB (“Nonprofits Case”) docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69583571/national-council-of-nonprofits-v-office-of-management-and-budget/   State of New York v. Trump (“States Case”) docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69585994/state-of-new-york-v-trump/   OPM Guidance on Schedule F https://www.chcoc.gov/content/guidance-implementing-president-trump%E2%80%99s-executive-order-titled-restoring-accountability Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod
Ep 101 — Executive Orders: Birthright Citizenship and Disappearing Trans People From Public Life
24-01-2025
Ep 101 — Executive Orders: Birthright Citizenship and Disappearing Trans People From Public Life
We’re breaking down two of the vilest executive orders Trump signed on his first day in office. First up, he’s attacking trans people every way he can, and the crueler, the better. How does this interact with the Supreme Court’s holding in Bostock? And Trump ignored 125 years of precedent to declare birthright citizenship illegal. One federal judge has already said NFW. Subscribers get a discussion of the latest Alex Jones bankruptcy negotiations. Links: Skrmetti: It was THAT Bad https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/skrmetti-it-was-that-bad?utm_source=publication-search   Trump EO - DEFENDING WOMEN FROM GENDER IDEOLOGY EXTREMISM AND RESTORING BIOLOGICAL TRUTH TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/   Foley & Lardner instructions to clients re: Trump’s EOs https://www.foley.com/insights/publications/2025/01/president-trumps-rescission-executive-order/   Trump EO on birthright citizenship https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship/   Coughenour TRO https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wawd.343943/gov.uscourts.wawd.343943.43.0_1.pdf   Baldoni/Lively docket https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.635145   Alex Jones docket (for Patreon bonus) https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66583024/alexander-e-jones/   Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod Contributing Artist: Liz Dye; Andrew Torrez Album artist: Liz Dye; Andrew Torrez Album: Law and Chaos Genre: Government; Politics Publisher: Res Ipsa Media LLC
Ep 100 — Immigration Under Trump (ft. Dan Kowalski)
21-01-2025
Ep 100 — Immigration Under Trump (ft. Dan Kowalski)
Trump has vowed to deport millions of undocumented immigrants and close the border. Today’s guest, Dan Kowalski, practiced immigration law for 38 years and writes extensively on the subject. We’ll break down what to expect and how to fight back.   Links: Involuntary Departure, by Dan Kowalski https://dankowalski.substack.com/    American Council on Education: Immigration-Related Campus Concerns https://www.acenet.edu/Documents/Issue-Brief-Immigration-Related-Campus-Concerns-2025.pdf    Against the Wall https://heliotropebooks.com/books/against-the-wall-my-journey-from-border-patrol-agent-to-immigration-rights-activist/   NYT Debate on Birthright Citizenship https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/08/24/should-birthright-citizenship-be-abolished/eliminating-birthright-citizenship-would-be-a-bureacratic-and-costly-change-of-law   Is Birthright Citizenship Good for America https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-journal/2012/1/cj32n1-10.pdf   Myths and Facts about Birthright Citizenship https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/sites/default/files/research/Birthright%20Citizenship%20091509.pdf   IPTP Will Track Trump 2.0 https://www.lexisnexis.com/community/insights/legal/immigration/b/outsidenews/posts/iptp-will-track-trump-2-0   Justice Action Center: Tracking Extremist Challenges to Immigrant Inclusive Policies https://litigationtracker.justiceactioncenter.org/   Us and Them: The Science of Identity https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/U/bo5812106.html Understanding INA Section 212(f): The President’s Authority to Suspend the Entry of Migrants https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/understanding-ina-section-212f-president-authority-suspend-entry-migrants Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod
Ep 97 — Trump Loses, and Loses, and … Wins?
10-01-2025
Ep 97 — Trump Loses, and Loses, and … Wins?
Trump narrowly loses his bid at SCOTUS to stave off his sentencing in New York. And the 11th Circuit denies his bid to bury the Special Counsel report. But the case is now back in front of Judge Aileen Cannon, so opportunities for f*ckery abound!   Links:   Judge Cannon Manages To Out-Crazy Judge Kacsmaryk   https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/judge-cannon-manages-to-out-crazy    SCOTUS Trump Docket https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/24a666.html   US v. Trump, Cannon Docket via Court Listener https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490069/united-states-v-trump   US v. Nauta, 11th Circuit Docket via Court Listener https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca11.87822    SCOTUS TikTok Docket https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/24-656.html    Salaam v. Trump Docket via Court Listener https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69279738/salaam-v-trump/    Griffin v. NC Board of Elections Docket via Democracy Docket https://www.democracydocket.com/cases/north-carolina-supreme-court-2024-election-protests-rejection-challenge/    Filthy Kentucky Title IX Order https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.kyed.104801/gov.uscourts.kyed.104801.143.0_1.pdf    Freeman v. Giulani, DC Docket via Court Listener https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68097449/freeman-v-giuliani  Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod
Ep 95 — The Blake Lively/Justin Baldoni Defamation/Harassment Suits
03-01-2025
Ep 95 — The Blake Lively/Justin Baldoni Defamation/Harassment Suits
Blake Lively is suing Justin Baldoni. Justin Baldoni is suing the New York Times. The New York Times is suing … nobody. Yet. We’ll untangle this f-tussle, and for subscribers, we’ll break down Rudy Giuliani’s wild ride to contempt of court.   Links:   Paxton NCAA Trollsuit https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/images/press/NCAA%20DTPA%20Petition%20Filed.pdf   Sixth Circuit Strikes Down Net Neutrality https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/25a0002p-06.pdf    Second Circuit Affirms E. Jean Carroll Verdict https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca2.60504/gov.uscourts.ca2.60504.176.1.pdf    Please Keep Shit-Talking Judges https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/please-keep-shit-talking-judges   Trump TikTok brief https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/24/24-656/336151/20241227163400981_2024-12-27%20-%20TikTok%20v.%20Garland%20-%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20President%20Donald%20J.%20Trump.pdf   In re MCP No. 185 (Net Neutrality) https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/25a0002p-06.pdf   Lively NY Complaint https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304/gov.uscourts.nysd.634304.1.0.pdf   Lively CA Complaint https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf   Baldoni CA complaint https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25473221-justin-baldoni/#document/p1   NYT Article https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/21/business/media/blake-lively-justin-baldoni-it-ends-with-us.html Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod
Ep 92 — Republicans Finally Found Someone To Blame For J6, And It Is Liz Cheney
20-12-2024
Ep 92 — Republicans Finally Found Someone To Blame For J6, And It Is Liz Cheney
Republicans in Congress are suggesting that the FBI should LOCK HER UP Liz Cheney, and Donald Trump thinks that’s a great idea. But can he do that? We’ll discuss. Plus, a Georgia appeals court has disqualified Fulton County DA Fani Willis and her entire office from prosecuting Donald Trump, likely dooming the entire case. And for subscribers, we’ve got a fun tour of defamation trollsuits from one of our favorite Kraken lawyers. Links: GA Court of Appeals Willis Order https://efast.gaappeals.us/download?filingId=cdec1774-027f-4de6-aaf5-fb6c9bb99270   Loudermilk Report https://cha.house.gov/_cache/files/6/d/6dae7b82-7683-4f56-a177-ba98695e600d/145DD5A70E967DEEC1F511764D3E6FA1.final-interim-report.pdf   Loudermilk Committee Report (October 15, 2024) https://cha.house.gov/2024/10/new-texts-reveal-liz-cheney-communicated-with-cassidy-hutchinson-about-her-select-committee-testimony-without-hutchinson-s-attorney-s-knowledge-despite-cheney-knowing-it-was-unethical   GA Ct Appeals Decision Re Willis https://efast.gaappeals.us/download?filingId=cdec1774-027f-4de6-aaf5-fb6c9bb99270    Robinson v. CNN Federal Docket via Court Listener https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nced.214292    Mike Flynn Florida Appeal Dismissed https://2dca.flcourts.gov/content/download/2444599/opinion/Opinion_2024-0278.pdf    Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod
Ep 87 — Skrmetti Preview: How Low Can SCOTUS Go?
03-12-2024
Ep 87 — Skrmetti Preview: How Low Can SCOTUS Go?
It’s a roundup of Hunter Biden, Rudy Giuliani, and Infowars news, before a preview of US v. Skrmetti, the challenge to Tennessee’s ban on gender confirming care for minors, which will be argued at the Supreme Court on Wednesday. And for subscribers, we’ll catch up with Dinesh D’Souza, who’s getting sued by a man he falsely accused of being a “ballot mule.”   Links: Elon Musk’s X is stepping into the legal fight over Alex Jones’ Infowars. Experts say it’s unprecedented https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/29/media/alex-jones-elon-musk-x-infowars-accounts/index.html    Freeman v. Giuliani Docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69116157/freeman-v-giuliani/    Hunter Biden Delaware Docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67511701/united-states-v-biden/   Hunter Biden California Docket https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68072483/united-states-v-biden/    Inside the Collapse of Hunter Biden’s Plea Deal https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/19/us/politics/inside-hunter-biden-plea-deal.html  Tennessee SB 1 - Tennessee Code, Title 68, Chapter 33 https://casetext.com/statute/tennessee-code/title-68-health-safety-and-environmental-protection/health/chapter-33-health-and-welfare-of-minors Skrmetti reply brief (gender affirming care) https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-477/331420/20241107183937931_23-477rbUnitedStates.pdf Danyon Anderson et al., Gender Dysphoria and Its Non-Surgical and Surgical Treatments (2022) https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9501960/   In re Vital Pharmaceutical (2023) https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-ban-crt-s-d-flo-for-lau-div/2289548.html   D’Souza Statement https://dineshdsouza.com/statement-on-2000-mules/    Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod
Ep 85 — Can Elon and Vivek Really Burn Down the Federal Government? (feat. Kel McClanahan)
22-11-2024
Ep 85 — Can Elon and Vivek Really Burn Down the Federal Government? (feat. Kel McClanahan)
Kel McClanahan joins us for part two of the interview, where he tells us how to keep tabs on Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy as they gear up to do for the federal government what Elon did for Twitter. Meanwhile, Donald Trump is not going to jail, Alex Jones continues to be a ghoul, and Rudy Giuliani has found another lawyer to help him humiliate himself in federal court. Links: Rudy Giuliani Can't Go On Trial, He Has An Inauguration To Attend! https://www.lawandchaospod.com/p/rudy-giuliani-cant-go-on-trial-he   Roake v. Brumley 5th Circuit denial of stay https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca5.221848/gov.uscourts.ca5.221848.68.2.pdf   Federal Advisory Committee Act (FACA), 5 U.S.C. Chapter 10 et seq. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/part-I/chapter-10   Kel McClanahan, President Trump’s Cronyism and Excesses Should Prompt Security Clearance Reform https://www.justsecurity.org/63108/president-trumps-cronyism-excesses-prompt-security-clearance-reform/   Kel McClanahan, The Case for Legislative Security Clearance Reform https://www.justsecurity.org/60440/case-legislative-security-clearance-reform/   Kel McClanahan, What Everyone Gets Wrong About Kushner’s Clearance Fiasco https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/03/01/jared-kushner-clearance-fiasco-217210/   Support and donate to: www.nationalsecuritylaw.org Show Links: https://www.lawandchaospod.com/ BlueSky: @LawAndChaosPod Threads: @LawAndChaosPod Twitter: @LawAndChaosPod Patreon: patreon.com/LawAndChaosPod