Confronting

GLASS | Wondery

Season 2 - Confronting: Columbine

The events of April 20th, 1999 shaped our nation and altered the American narrative. One of America’s deadliest school shootings took place in a small town in Colorado, leaving thirteen dead and another twenty-one severely injured. And it was all broadcast over national tv for the nation to see.

The second season of Confronting takes on one of the most prolific tragedies in American history: the Columbine High School massacre. It was a devastating example of how easily a place of learning, familiarity and peace can descend into a war zone of chaos in a moment, the teenagers present that day are now adults who bear the mental and physical scars of the carnage they lived through.Amy Over, a Columbine survivor who is still living with its aftermath and raising her own children in its shadow, confronts many of the realities, questions and myths that surround the massacre to this day. Amy, through her own experience and by speaking with survivors, investigators, classmates, reporters on the scene and other important voices, brings a first-person account of the physical, emotional and spiritual journey that comes along with confronting the worst day of her life.

Season 1 - Confronting: O.J. Simpson

25 years after the crimes that ignited the "Trial of the Century" Kim Goldman, sister of murder victim Ron Goldman, is digging deep into the vicious crime that changed her life, and many others, forever. Thrust into the public eye at the age of 22, Kim was devastated when OJ Simpson was found not guilty of the murders of his ex-wife Nicole and her brother Ron. There has been much debate and confusion about what really happened the night of those brutal murders and for the first time Kim gets answers to questions that have been haunting her since the trial. She sits down with prosecutors, investigators, and witnesses who never got to speak and jurors who voted not guilty. In this 10-part series, Kim takes you on a journey as she reclaims and reflects on the part of her life that was changed permanently.

read less

Our Editor's Take

People who live through tragedies are often afflicted with residual trauma. A challenging experience can change someone's life forever. Confronting is a podcast sharing stories of people who live through shocking events.

The podcast follows a season-based format, following one story across several episodes. GLASS and Wondery used the season format to give listeners a chance to sink into the story.

Season one focuses on O.J. Simpson and tracks Kim Goldman as she addresses the 'trial of the century.' Season two looks into the infamous 1999 Columbine High School massacre.

Confronting's season two host, Amy Over, shares her experience as a Columbine student. As a host, Amy is thoughtful and honest. How did the once-unthinkable school shooting become an unfortunate reality of today?

Seasons are investigative, with hosts who have a personal connection to the story. But Confronting is not a true-crime podcast. It is for those affected by tragedy to voice stories, find truth, and share experiences. This podcast goes beyond trials and law enforcement. It is a moving look into the strength and resilience of those who lived through it.

read less

True CrimeTrue Crime

Society & CultureSociety & Culture

DocumentaryDocumentary

Play Trailer

Introducing Confronting: O.J. Simpson

Introducing Confronting: O.J. Simpson

June 12th marks twenty-five years since the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. O.J. Simpson's arrest for the murders catapulted the United States into the "Trial of the Century". Now, Kim Goldman, sister of Ron Goldman, is going back to the vicious crime that changed her life forever. Finally, Kim gets answers to the questions that have been haunting her since the trial. She sits down with prosecutors, investigators, witnesses who never got to speak, and jurors who voted not guilty. Confronting: O.J. Simpson premieres June 12th.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Season 2

Introducing Confronting: Columbine

Introducing Confronting: Columbine

Confronting: Columbine is hosted by Amy Over, a Columbine survivor who is still living with its aftermath and raising her own children in its shadow. Amy, through her own experience and by speaking with survivors, investigators, classmates, reporters on the scene and other important voices brings a first-person account of the physical, emotional and spiritual journey that comes along with being in the center of the Columbine massacre. Season 2 of Confronting launches on Wondery+ on April 20, 2021 and on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts on May 4, 2021. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Amy Over shares her experience as a high school senior, enjoying lunch in the cafeteria at Columbine High school on April 20, 1999, when two classmates went on a mission to kill as many students and faculty as they could. The Columbine massacre remains forever etched into the minds of Americans as the ground zero for the day parents stopped assuming that school is a safe place for children. Our host recounts her life as a teenager before the shooting and after. Who did she lose that day and how did it change the direction of her life? And she explains why now is when she has decided to reflect on what happened to her and her community. Amy confronts the questions that have haunted her for two decades. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Annihilation Game | 2

Annihilation Game | 2

How does a school lunch with friends outside end with paramedics dodging gunfire in an attempt to pull your paralyzed body out of a war zone? Sean Graves shares his encounter with the Columbine killers on “Judgment Day.” The idea that anyone would try to kill him, let alone two fellow students was such a foreign idea that Sean actually went towards the gunfire, thinking it had to be a senior prank or a game. Sean candidly shares his arduous journey from paralyzed gunshot victim to school safety professional when he and Amy Over meet face-to-face for the first time.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Amy takes us inside Columbine High School twenty-one years later. She finds the spot where she hid as the shooting started. She reconnects with her principal, Frank DeAngelis. We learn what he had to sacrifice in his personal life in order to be there for “his kids.” Then teacher Tom Tonelli, a current Columbine history teacher and coach, whose tenure began before the massacre, explains why he has no fear of teaching there. Amy confesses a long-held secret about her family. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Amy brings together her old basketball team for this first time since high school. Her teammates recount good times. And they talk about the hero who saved so many of them on April 20, Dave Sanders. Then we meet Coach Sanders’ daughters, Coni Sanders. Her sense of humor belies a deep hurt over the loss of her father. Coni recalls the frantic day they searched for information about her father’s whereabouts at hospitals and through law enforcement, only to finally learn the truth from a newspaper reporter seeking a comment. And Coni tells Amy what “dad” was really like when he wasn’t being a coach. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Martians Landing | 5

Martians Landing | 5

Quantico comes to Columbine when Mary Ellen O’Toole arrives in Littleton nearly a year after the massacre. The perpetrators knew they would die on Judgement Day so they left videos to explain their actions. Mary Ellen O’Toole was the FBI profiler who analyzed those tapes and shares her impressions with Amy. Then Amy talks with best-selling Columbine author Dave Cullen. Dave sets the record straight about myths surrounding Columbine’s social dynamics, which continue to be perpetuated 21 years after the massacre. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

What are you doing today? | 6

What are you doing today? | 6

Addiction, suicide, jail, financial ruin. Those are just some of the problems that two of Amy’s nearest and dearest confronted after Columbine. Two fellow survivors, Zack Rissmiller and Zach Cartaya give Amy a detailed account of their experience on April 20th, 1999. Then they candidly talk about the repercussions of the trauma they experienced that horrific day. Both men share the journey of hitting rock bottom and fighting their way back. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Evacuate, Evade, Defend | 7

Evacuate, Evade, Defend | 7

Kate Battan was the newest member of the investigative team in Jefferson County but that didn’t stop her boss from handing her the Columbine case. The eyes of the country, the victims and other law enforcement were all on her. Amy finally has the opportunity to ask Kate about the rumored hit list. Then Amy confronts AJ DeAndrea, one of the first responders who was on the scene, about why Coach Sanders wasn’t rescued sooner. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Columbine had a ripple effect across the country to how law enforcement responded to and engaged with an active shooter. One first responder, Officer Omar Delgado, who was first on the scene at the 2016 Orlando Pulse nightclub shooting, explains to Amy what training can’t teach you when you’re confronted with an active shooter. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Mass shootings have become terrifyingly commonplace. There’s one almost every day. They often trigger PTSD. But Parkland was particularly difficult for Amy. Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School teacher, Kim Krawczyk goes on the record with Amy, in an unfiltered interview, to address the Broward County Public Schools' failures, the need for a more robust mental health response to these types of traumas, and the warning signs the district missed before the killer's rampage. Dr. Peter Langman, a renowned expert on school shooters, weighs in on what he’s learned by studying them and the one thing they all have in common. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The Fourteenth | 9

The Fourteenth | 9

Greg Barnes was a star athlete, model student and beloved by friends and family. He brought pride and excitement to Columbine, the Littleton community and Colorado as a rising basketball star in the state. Greg witnessed Dave Sanders get shot and was one of the students who tried to save him. Shortly after the one-year anniversary of the massacre, Greg committed suicide. Amy has held onto her feelings about Greg and her last interaction with him for 20 years. She meets with Columbine’s basketball coach Rudy Martin whose unresolved pain over Greg also still lingers.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Amy reconnects with a high school friend who grew up with Greg Barnes and delights in telling stories about his childhood antics. Landon explains how Greg still inspires him today. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We’ve heard a lot of stories from this group about when they were young and back in high school. Now we hear about adult life. What is it like to date a survivor of gun violence? We hear a bit of their dark humor and feel the bond that has lasted through relationships, marriages, heartbreaks and life changes. Amy reflects on how this podcast has helped to heal her. Even while it was being produced, a community close to home, Boulder, Colorado, experienced a mass shooting. It's yet another sad but clear confirmation; the non-profit that Amy fundraises for, The Rebels Project, will need to continue to support survivors of mass trauma with no respite to mass shootings in sight. Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Season 1

Introducing Confronting: O.J. Simpson

Introducing Confronting: O.J. Simpson

June 12th marks twenty-five years since the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. O.J. Simpson's arrest for the murders catapulted the United States into the "Trial of the Century". Now, Kim Goldman, sister of Ron Goldman, is going back to the vicious crime that changed her life forever. Finally, Kim gets answers to the questions that have been haunting her since the trial. She sits down with prosecutors, investigators, witnesses who never got to speak, and jurors who voted not guilty. Confronting: O.J. Simpson premieres June 12th.Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The Life and Death of Ron Goldman | 1

The Life and Death of Ron Goldman | 1

Kim and her father, Fred confront the day they found out that Ron was killed twenty-five years ago. Life has moved forward, but there is still grief and pain. In this episode, Kim starts her journey by remembering the life of her brother. Through conversations with friends and loved ones, we remember the brother, son, friend and murder victim who was lost on June 12th, 1994. Follow us on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @ConfrontingpodBinge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Objectively Bonkers | 2

Objectively Bonkers | 2

In episode two, Kim reexamines the crime with the case’s lead investigator, Tom Lange, and lead prosecutor, Marcia Clark. Kim confronts the long list of evidence that never went to trial, wrestles with the decisions made by the prosecution, and learns about facts of the case that were never scrutinized 25 years ago. Some truths take on new light for Kim while others remain “objectively bonkers”.Follow us on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @ConfrontingpodBinge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Witness testimony was a pivotal element of this trial. Some witnesses went from bystanders to household names. Fame was garnered and careers were launched during the Trial of the Century. 25 years later, Kim sits down with two of Nicole Brown Simpson’s neighbors from Brentwood, the Los Angeles neighborhood where the murders occurred. Kato Kaelin and Jill Shively witnessed events that occurred the night of Ron’s death. Kato went on to reality TV infamy, while Jill made a quick buck and has lived with the fallout of that decision ever since.Follow us on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @ConfrontingpodBinge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Ready or Not | 4

Ready or Not | 4

In Episode 4, Kim goes back to the courthouse where her brother’s trial took place for the first time in 20 years. Kim sits down with former Assistant District Attorney Bill Hodgman and prosecutor Chris Darden, who both fought and failed to find justice for Kim’s brother. Kim presses to understand what went wrong with the prosecution’s case and learns that many believed the prosecution never had a chance. They’ll talk about Chris and Bill’s differing opinions on whether the prosecution was ready to go to trial or not. The two men reflect on the outcome and decisions that were made, most notably, Darden’s decision to have O.J. Simpson try on that black glove, which lead to the infamous phrase, “if it doesn’t fit, you must acquit”.Follow us on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @ConfrontingpodBinge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

O.J. Simpson’s murder trial was broadcast in its entirety on television, and millions of Americans watched. The story was controversial, sensational, absurd, and the world became invested in the outcome. In this episode Kim explores the media circus with Dan Abrams and Shoreen Maghame – the “Trial of the Century” launched both of their careers. Hundreds of media outlets covered the trial and all of them converged outside the courthouse in what became known as “Camp O.J.” The non-stop media coverage allowed everyone in the country to connect with the case. Every little detail of the case was scrutinized: the credibility of the LAPD, the reputations of witnesses and attorneys, all the way down to Marcia Clark’s hair. Kim also speaks with Henry Schleiff, who took over Court TV shortly after the trial ended, about how the coverage changed the face television forever. Everyone, including your co-host, Nancy Glass, takes a hard look at the insanity of the non-stop media coverage.Episode 6 "Get Over It" is no longer available. Please continue enjoying the show with Episode 7!Follow us on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @ConfrontingpodBinge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

We The Jury | 7

We The Jury | 7

When the Trial of the Century began, twelve jurors and twelve alternates stepped into the Los Angeles County Court House to perform their civic duty. What they couldn’t have expected was that over the next nine months, they would be sequestered from public life and essentially have their entire lives put on pause. After all those months of testimony it took them mere hours to render one of the most controversial Not Guilty verdicts in history. In this episode of Confronting, Kim speaks with two of the jurors, Lionel Cryer and David Aldana. Both Lionel and David recall their experiences as part of the jury, reflect on the verdict they rendered and discuss how they would vote 25 years later.Episode 6 "Get Over It" is no longer available. Please continue enjoying the show with Episode 7!Binge early and ad free with Wondery+. Join Wondery+ for exclusives, binges, early access, and ad free listening. Available in the Wondery App https://wondery.app.link/confronting.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.